Anyway, I totally get the Dana/Alice deterioration, but it is The L World. We don't exactly watch it for strong characterization and seamless storylines
Ha, true story.
I didn't ship Fred/Wes too hard myself until season 5, and then I couldn't resist them after their cute drunkyness at the halloween party and then their sad ending. I think it's the epicness of her death that took them to a different level for me. And Illyria/Wes had a fascinating darkness to it. I loved Illyria's combination of strength & vulnerability, and how she & Wesley related to each other with Fred's ghost constantly between them. And this is making me really want to rewatch that season, just for the record. Heh.
We must be the only two C/L people on the entire internet!
SERIOUSLY. Except for a few people on youtube. Everyone else hates him with a passion, and ripped out their hair over Lorelai being with him in s7. I hated how her breakup with Luke was handled, but I always liked her scenes with Christopher, including the ones in s7. Even though the writing in general that season was weak (compared to how great it was in the first 5 years, I mean), and Lorelai didn't seem as much like her happy self, which made me sad for her. I can totally buy Chris' money going to his head though. I think suddenly coming into a huge amount of it could change a lot of people. I still liked him even then though. But for me, his douchebaggery had always been present at the same time; it was just that I liked him despite it. In the first few seasons, I'd say his jerkyness would've related to how small a role he played in Rory's life & his general flakyness. He really hadn't grown up yet at that point imo.
You make a good point about Spike and Angel. I guess for me it tainted their relationship after that because I had a hard time imagining Buffy fully getting past the memory of it. It was such a violent & painful scene to watch. But like you I did find a way to still enjoy Soul!Spike after that, and how he & Buffy interacted in season 7. For me, they're one of those complicated ships where I like the attraction the two people share, and what they mean to each other, but wouldn't want to see them skip off into the sunset happily ever after. Kind of Christopher & Lorelai actually, except minus the attempted rape & vampire thing. Hee. But the sentiment is the same.
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Ha, true story.
I didn't ship Fred/Wes too hard myself until season 5, and then I couldn't resist them after their cute drunkyness at the halloween party and then their sad ending. I think it's the epicness of her death that took them to a different level for me. And Illyria/Wes had a fascinating darkness to it. I loved Illyria's combination of strength & vulnerability, and how she & Wesley related to each other with Fred's ghost constantly between them. And this is making me really want to rewatch that season, just for the record. Heh.
We must be the only two C/L people on the entire internet!
SERIOUSLY. Except for a few people on youtube. Everyone else hates him with a passion, and ripped out their hair over Lorelai being with him in s7. I hated how her breakup with Luke was handled, but I always liked her scenes with Christopher, including the ones in s7. Even though the writing in general that season was weak (compared to how great it was in the first 5 years, I mean), and Lorelai didn't seem as much like her happy self, which made me sad for her. I can totally buy Chris' money going to his head though. I think suddenly coming into a huge amount of it could change a lot of people. I still liked him even then though. But for me, his douchebaggery had always been present at the same time; it was just that I liked him despite it. In the first few seasons, I'd say his jerkyness would've related to how small a role he played in Rory's life & his general flakyness. He really hadn't grown up yet at that point imo.
You make a good point about Spike and Angel. I guess for me it tainted their relationship after that because I had a hard time imagining Buffy fully getting past the memory of it. It was such a violent & painful scene to watch. But like you I did find a way to still enjoy Soul!Spike after that, and how he & Buffy interacted in season 7. For me, they're one of those complicated ships where I like the attraction the two people share, and what they mean to each other, but wouldn't want to see them skip off into the sunset happily ever after. Kind of Christopher & Lorelai actually, except minus the attempted rape & vampire thing. Hee. But the sentiment is the same.